Was the song copyrighted at all??? I would seriously look into getting the credit, it sounds exactly the same as the 3 Doors Down song.

Liz, I don't know. I doubt it, because if it were copyrighted, they probably would have done something about it. I'll ask my brother.

BTW, stay away from 3DD fans. The band has a reputation for being nice guys, as I'm sure they are, but their fans are a little scary. I'm already getting hate mail.

The intros sound identical. If it were my band, I'd be pissed. I think they should do something about it.

Drina,

Just to provide some information here.

First off, the song IS copyrighted. In accordense with the Berne convention, any creative work that is fixed into a permanent medium, be it a piece of paper, a hard drive or a magnetic tape, is considered copyrighted. While you do have to register your copyright with the U.S. Copyright Office to sue in federal court, you can still sue in a state court. Also, you can register your copyright at any time and still sue in Federal court for damages or earnings AFTER the date it was received at the copyright office.

Second, if your bother does want to try and sue, the challenge will be proving it. There are lawyers available that will work on a contigency fee basis (meaning they work for a percentage of winnings). I would start looking for one near the Universal offices, wherever that might be.

While I do agree that the prospects aren't good in such a suit, a lot of record labels want to avoid this kind of embarassment and, if the case has any merit at all, will settle.

Just something to ponder. I'm not a lawyer, just a plagiarism and copyright-minded Webmaster that runs a site on the issue. You should probably seek counsel if you want to go any further.

Remember, consultations are free. No harm in trying.

WTF? They do sound the same/!

Oh my goodness. That is way too similar to be a coincidence. That is crazy. More power to your bro if he decides to do something about it.

Thanks for your input guys... It's good to know we're not just imagining the similarities here.

Jonathan, that info is really helpful. Thanks!

Bro, did you get that?

yep, I got it. I will pass the message to my singer. It was his old band that did that song. I was just as shocked as everyone else when I heard it. He said they talked to a lawyer once and the lawyer told them it would be $5k down and $200/hr after that. That was a little steep. I'll see what he thinks of these new ideas. Thanks.

It's a shame..That demo song is far better than 3 Doors Down! Just goes to show that the mainstream bands still suck ass after 10 years. 3 Doors Down sux major ass!!
Pussy Rock for the Pussy Whipped

Thanks to everyone who has commented so far. You are right the musicians I played this song with are pissed. It was copywritten, however I'm unsure how well these record company types check into that part or if they even care.

It is true consultations are free. however, if an attorney takes the case and it is setteled out of court I'm unsure where the initial cash would come from to start the fight.

Rock On! Influence thanks everyone who has left and will leave comments.

You should find someone who will sue them without paying everything right away. If you can prove you had the song for that long, then you should have a shot!

Drina, that is too close to be coincidence. I always liked them too.

I knew they were untalented shitwads.

I'm really surprised because I really liked 3 doors down. I still kinda do, but this makes me realize that even good musicians might not be responsible for their own ideas.

3 Doors Down didn't copy... The band Influence did because 3DD isn't that low... and 3DD has been around longer than this crappy wannabe band. 3DD rocks and you suck.

I really hate how you can accuse 3DD of stuff when you don't even have proof... what if the band Influence copied? Can't you open your mind!? What if no one copied and it was a coincidence!? I think It's one of those above... I hate motherfucking people like you with no good evidence.

The tape has been around a very long time and has been copyrighted. Unfortunately, lawyers want thousands up front, so a lawsuit is a no-go, at least for now. Hopefully that will change, and Influence will get the recognition they deserve. The music was theirs first.

By the way, your comments on my other posts about my new shoes and Kid's band names are spiteful and say a lot about your character.

Guys, some inspiration for you. It may take a while, but the truth will come out eventually.

Maybe. Just Maybe the record company intructed 3 Doors Down to use the material of another group.

And to the comment of maybe it' s a coincidence; even if it was a coincidence your comment speaks volumes as to the similiarity of these 2 songs.

I won't give any details as to when the song was donebut it was done from love of music.

And no we don't suck.
Yes 3 Doors Down is a good group I'm not denying that we just don't believe it is fair to use what is rightfully someone elses intelectual property without consent whether on purpose or accident.

Ask any of the MoTown groups of the past that had their ideas taken and coincidentally their Label is a MoTown label, hmmmmm.

The song in question "The Road I'm On" first appeared publicly in March of 1997 on the 3 Doors Down demo CD.

It was written by Brad Arnold in Algebra class when he was in the 10th grade, in 1994. The 3 Doors Down version was first played by Brad's earlier band. There is a early cassette tape version of this band playing "The Road I'm On" recorded in November of 1994.

When Kryptonite broke big on Southeastern FM radio, a showcase was arraigned for the band at CBGB's in NYC. The band booked a midwest tour to get them to NYC. They played in Cleveland, and played this song on that tour.

If 3DD was able to produce a recorded version dated prior to your brother's version, your brother would be responsible for 3DD's legal fees.

And I bet Universal's Lawyers make more than $200 an hour.

Good Luck!

The song is "When I'm Gone."

It sounds like to me someone is trying to get credit for a song that they didnt write!3 Doors Down write their own material they dont need to copy off a band that sounds this shitty. And so what if girls like 3DD at least they can get a girls attention! I can not stand someone lying about this shit! I believe ur lying about when it was suing/written or whatever!Just shut up with the lies and write ur own shit.

oh i just noticed this but idf u hate what 3dd supoosivly did to yens why in the hell would u put there URL (website) in ur statement lol

Well for starters I have heard alot of songs that sound alike, but it doesn't mean anybody stole anything. The band 3 Doors Down does write their own music and they also put their own music to the lyrics. Is it that maybe someone might be jealous that 3 Doors Down is doing so well and that maybe someone wants to be like them is why all of this commotion?
And to those of you that want to say that 3 Doors Down is untalented, well honey I think you best back up and look where they are! Their the ones out there making the money and doing what they love and that's playing their great music for their fans!
And for those who think that paying money to a lawyer and the amount is to steep, Well if you were so sure of yourself about the stuff then the amount wouldn't be a problem if you knew that you were gonna win the case. Think about it!!!

By now I've been told at least a hundred times that 3DD write their own music and don't copy, etc. But those assertions are essentially knee-jerk reactions from fans of the band. I can understand their desire to protect the people whose music they like, but these are not objective assessments. They are emotional defenses, and they're not convincing.

BAW, I never claimed in my post that 3DD is an untalented band, but I disagree that financial success in the music industry is proof of talent. Britney Spears was wildly successful a few years ago, more so than 3DD. Is she more talented? I don't know you, but I'm willing to wager that you wouldn't think so.

As for the legal options, those are still being weighed. But raising thousands upon thousands of dollars to pay lawyer fees up front isn't easy for a group of average joes working 9 to 5. They have families. Not everyone gets rich off of their music, even if the music itself becomes popular.

Charity, do you believe that kind of hostility is persuasive?

ok me ask this why did it take so long for this to even be brought up the CD has been out for a while now and ur just not getting any where with this bullshit so I'd really drop it if I was u

as a guitarist, i honestly hear a common chord progression and picking pattern in both songs and it could easily be coincidence. sorry!

that being said, your song is still better than the 3DD song.

who ever is singing in this song cannot sing. Let the people who can sing alone and stop trying to say u wrote it whenever u have no case here!!!

[who ever is singing in this song cannot sing.]

Spiteful, untrue, and besides the point

[stop trying to say u wrote it whenever u have no case here!!!]

Why should the group deny this happened just to appease the 3 Doors Down fans who refuse to believe anything they don't like?

this is the most stupidest shit I ever heard!! You need to stop hatin on 3DoorsDown because they are making it!! You will get you chance maybe. I doubt it though because that guy can not SING!!!!!

You should be less concerned with the singing capabilities of the frontman of Influence, and more concerned about the fact that the music for "When I'm Gone" bears striking and improbable similarities to a song written and recorded years before by another group.

Why do 3 Doors Down fans that comment here always have to resort to third grade put-downs?

How old are you?

Listen don't start with all that third grade bullshit because you guys are the ones who are acting childish with this whole situation.Everyone knows that 3DoorsDown would never do that to anyone, they help produce their own damn music!!

Acting cuckoo bananas is not going to convince me that 3DD are genuine, original artists. You may be a fan, and a dedicated one at that, but this fact only lessens the impact of your assertions. As a fan, you're going to defend them no matter what because you believe in them. Yours is not an objective opinion. And this is understandable, because nobody want to find that their favorite band is fallible.

I would be so disappointed if I discovered that MXPX either intentionally or even inadvertantly plagiarized one of my favorite songs. But I would hope that I wouldn't jump to a knee-jerk defense or react with hostility. That's just crazy.

Ok listen, I'm the type of person to get all the info about this type of and you guys have nothing but a demo. That doesn't prove anything!

I'm sorry, but you are completely unaware of the details of this situation. You know only what I've written in this post, not about the legal inquiries the band made years ago. You don't know anything about how hard these guys worked, only to realize that their music made it to radio on someone else's album. You know only what you want to believe about this case. And that's okay, because you have the right to believe whatever you like. But don't be so quick to proclaim that nothing can or will be proven here. That will up to a court to decide. I only hope the guys can raise enough money to get good representation. The truth needs to get out, even if it makes fans angry.

My two cents.

You guys may say that 3DoorsDown stole the beat to that song and I don't know if its true or not but you need to go about this privately with your lawyers and 3DD lawyers so you don't get dedicated fans, like me, harassing you.And I see that you are just tring to stick up for your brother and what you think is right, BUT were you there when they recorded this demo?!Cause if you weren't then how do you know if its really true? KNOW I'M NOT TRYING TO CALL YOU A LIAR!! because if this happened to my brother I would be on his side all the way, but if I was not there, then I would truly never know.

You're right in that I don't know if 3 Doors Down stole the music, because it very well may have been unintentional. Cognitively healthy people misattribute the source of information all the time, and it leads to inadvertant plagiarism. Martin Luther King Jr. unintentionally plagiarized parts of his I Have a Dream speech. It happens to the best of us. We internalize things we hear, read, or see, and over the course of time we misattribute the sources. It's normal.

I do know, however, that this tape was created well before the release of "When I'm Gone." Years before. This is why I feel no hesitation in speaking up about it. And I don't fear the few hostile 3 Doors Down fans that write nasty things to me. Sure, they don't like what I write here, but they don't have to. They can feel however they like. And I'm not here to win their friendship. I just want to get the truth out.

Feel free to respond, but this dialogue of ours is starting to go in circles, so I'm going to respectfully bow out. If you have anything new to say, perhaps I'll give it another go.

I can assure you that 3 doors down did not still any music at all, Brad Arnold knows how to write his music and they practice so much, Like I had said in a previous post, there may be some simularity's in the music but my god I have heard alot of this kind of stuff, and who has made it on the road and who hasn't here. I am sorry to say but if your brother's band was as great as you are proclaiming to be then don't you think they would have made it already??? It is a sad shame that someone wants to find so much fault in such a terrific band such as 3 doors down and try to bring them down because of music simularity...

I proclaimed they were so great? Now you're making things up, which is why your assurances mean so little to me. You're defending the band at the expense of the truth. You're too invested in protecting the band to be objective.

By the way, not all good bands make it big on MTV. I would counter that some of the best never do. Financial success should not be the measure of a band's quality.

My two cents.

OK I doesn't matter about finaacial but it does matter if you got money to help pay your way into the music business and good songs too not songs that have been plagiarised!

I can't believe that some people could actually think that 3 Doors Down would steal other people's music, wake up people they are a successful rock band and they don't need to steal other people's music, these guys are for real, they write their own songs and their own music, so why would they steal music from others, and as said before if your brother's band is great as you claim they are don't you think they would have made it by now, I don't get why people have to put down such a great group of guys.

considering all MTV plays is rap and pop music all the time, I never see any good bands being played on there, all MTV is about is that rap shit, and I was one that always watched MTV but not no more...

Wow, you didn't read a single word I wrote, did you?

Hey! Listen don't start getting rude because people are expressing their views! Teri Lynn read everything she is just telling you what she thinks, don't get all rude with her!!If you didn't want to hear people express themselves then you should not have started this who thing!!I'm just telling you this because when you start getting rude with one of us you are getting rude with all of us!!

no need to get rude here, like Andrea said if you didn't want people expressing their views about this then you should have not started this whole thing, Let me tell you something you are gonna have alot of 3DD fans coming on here sticking up for these guys bacause we all know what type of guys they are, and they ARE NOT ONES FOR STEALING MUSIC, why would they have ot anyway, they write their own material, and yes I read everything you said, I'm just saying what I feel, you wanted people's response on this you got it.

I was not being rude, I'm just surprised that she chose to make things up about what I said. I never proclaimed that Influence was so great, but she claimed I did.

I realize that 3DD fans are going to come here and say nasty things. As I mentioned before, I'm comfortable with that, and I'm not bothered by the things you've posted. I'm just a little surprised that you would ignore the things I've written here, and put words into my mouth instead.

The 3DD fans that post here have shown me that I should only expect emotional knee-jerk reactions, hostile insults, and empty assurances. I'm not moved by any of it, because it's motivated not by the desire to find the truth, but to protect the band at all costs. And they have every right to do this if they want. I'm not going to stand in their way.

So post as much as you'd like here. It's open to you; I've never tried to shut down this comment section. But regardless of what you say, I know what happened with Influence's music. An occasional 3DD fan lashing out at me isn't going to change that.

Feel free to respond, but I'm a little tired with having to repeat myself so much, so unless there's something new, I'll sit the rest out. I'd rather spend my time helping the guys find a good lawyer.

I'm not holding anything against you, you do what you gotta do to help these guys out, that's your business, and I'm not tryin to be mean here at all but I'm a huge fan of 3DD and I'm gonna defend them all that I can along with other 3DD fans, we stick behind these guys not matter what.

[I'm gonna defend them all that I can along with other 3DD fans, we stick behind these guys not matter what.]

This is exactly my point, thank you.

And you're welcome to post whatever you like.

Ok, If you didn't care about people's views and didn't care about what they said, then tell me why the hell did you start this whole thing in the first place, you say it was to get the truth out, but who really is looking at this site.

My site isn't just read by the nasty 3DD fans, it's also occasionally read by nice fans, as well as non-fans and some people with knowledge of law and copyright infringement. My blog is a small one, I'll admit, but it's been a useful resource.

I will post whatever I like on my blog, and I don't have to justify my blog's content to anybody. I love that I can use it to help spread the truth about this

you're right Andrea, I don't understand either, we are not nasty 3DD fans we are loyal fans and we stick up for these guys no matter what like I said before, it looks like the only ones postin on here are loyal 3DD fans

yeah we are the only ones who are posting I don't see any people who are talking about law in this site!!

Email, girls... email.

I agree why start the whole thing if ur going to start something with everyone who posts on here? This whole thing is a BIG waste of internet space..And IF these other people are reading this that agree with you why havent they even posted back? Yes I'm a huge 3DD fan and DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!

I shouldn't be able to answer comments from people who attack me or my brother's band on my own blog, else I'm "starting something?" Come on now, you're being silly.

And this may be a waste of Internet space, but it's my Internet space. And I like it.

I won't stop because I have faith that the truth will win out. And I won't be intimidated by anyone, especially here on my own blog.

Ja sam iz Bosne!

I won't stop because I have faith that the truth will win out. And I won't be intimidated by anyone, especially here on my own blog.

Ja sam iz Bosne!

O come on how childish can u get..I mean this is all bullshit really I can only imagine the fucking peple laughing at your goofy ass. Its pathetic and sounds very desperate..what do u and ur brother have something going on or something..it sounds like it bad! Stop humping ur brother and get a life and leave other peoples life out of it!

Teri, read the post before mine. This is what I meant.

Night girls.

Teri knows who I am

almost forgot hi andrea lol

You're right Drin, best blogstalkers ever!

Who the hell are you Alison!!??

I believe Alison is Drina matter of fact I think all of them that says 3 doors down sux is Drina trying to make herself look good how pathetic and so retarded

I mean this is all bullshit really I can only imagine the fucking peple laughing at your goofy ass. Its pathetic and sounds very desperate..what do u and ur brother have something going on or something..it sounds like it bad! Stop humping ur brother and get a life and leave other peoples life out of it!

believe Alison is Drina matter of fact I think all of them that says 3 doors down sux is Drina trying to make herself look good how pathetic and so retarded

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This, from a Christian mother of two?

By the way, I've been Drina's friend and loyal blogstalker (a friendly one, though) for a few years now. Just oppped in since she wrote about it.

im a mother of 2 and so fucking what if ur her friend she shouldnt be saying th shit she's saying and i still dont belive u

Hi Charity *waves* it's good see another loyal and dedicated 3DD fan posting on here defending the guys

Teri, earlier you responded to one of my comments by insisting that you guys are not nasty fans, just loyal ones. But Charity raged onto my blog calling me pathetic and retarded, using nasty language, and proclaiming that I must be having sex with my brother. All of this because I posted a song his bandmates recorded ten years ago, and made the most logical conclusions.

You may be loyal fans, that I don't doubt. But you are indeed nasty. I mean really nasty. And despite the fact that 3DD may have plagiarized a song, I have more respect for them than for any of the fans that have posted here, because I've never seen or heard them treat somebody so horribly. I'm willing to bet they'd be ashamed of this behavior.

Also, if it's impossible that 3DD inadvertantly plagiarized anything, they must either be divine or autistic. People with normal cognitive function do this regularly. Some of the greatest and most wonderful people who have ever lived have experienced misatribution. As I mentioned earlier, Martin Luther King Jr. plagiarized his 'I Have a Dream' speech. 3DD is not superhuman, and so it's quite possible that it was not intentional.

I do know, however, that the guys wrote and recorded this music, sent it to record companies, then found the same music being played by another band years later. For them not to suspect plagiarism would make them foolish. Of course, you don't have to believe any of this. You can choose to believe whatever you like; that's you're right. But you're resistance (or your hostility) isn't going to sway me, and I'm going to keep pushing. The band deserves it.

You may be loyal fans, that I don't doubt. But you are indeed nasty. I mean really nasty. And despite the fact that 3DD may have plagiarized a song, I have more respect for them than for any of the fans that have posted here, because I've never seen or heard them treat somebody so horribly. I'm willing to bet they'd be ashamed of this behavior.

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Actually they would most likely to tell you to stop running your mouth and stop lying cause like everyone has said you have no case! Just get over yourself if your brother was so sure of himself he would be saying something and not leaving it to his sister. That there proves the point that you are lying and trying to make another band look bad just so your brothers so called band can look good. Either way 3 Doors Down did steal it and I'm sorry to say your brothers song is not any good if it wasnt good back then whats going to make it any better now? (even though we all know it wasnt written freaking 10 yrs ago or whatever)

like I said before we are not nasty fans we are nice people, but if you are gonna get on 3DD for something they didn't do, then you will have some nasty fans because all this shit is pissing us fans off and we are getting tired of it so you will have fans coming on here expressing their feelings and that's exactly what Charity is doing, we are defending these guys, and besides, you made this blog for people to express their opinions about this topic and that's what we are doing, and I dom
t believe that 3DD would be ashamed of their fans behavior, because they know they have dedicated and loyal fans out there that will defend them in anyway possible, I know for a fact that these guys all appreciate their fans and their opinions....

LOL OMG where i putted that they didnt steal it i accidentally forgot the nt in didnt lol o well everyone knows what i meant

Charity, your logic doesn't hold. You're saying that if what the band claims is true, I would be silent about it, and what it claims is false I would be blogging about it. That's a little convoluted. Following that same logic, if 3 Doors Down did not plagiarize anything, even unintentionally, their fans would have no need to wreak havoc on the web, attacking complete strangers on their own websites.

Tell me truthfully; if you discovered evidence that 3 Doors Down's music was unlawfully used by another band, would you stand silent? I mean, really?

In your post, you asserted that the band charged me with this mission, and are themselves taking no action. But that's just not true; you invented that. I volunteered to write about this because I believe the truth should come out. The band members themselves are still weighing legal options, and doing all the "hard work" themselves. I'm just blogging. Because I'm a blogger.

As I've mentioned about at least a half dozen times on this page, you don't have to believe any of this. I, myself, would be skeptical if someone made such claims about my favorite band (MXPX, the greatest band on God's green Earth, in my completely unbiased opinion) because people sometimes make fraudulent claims against celebrities for money, attention, and a host of other things. Sometimes people lie. But I never have, and never will, so brutally attack someone for making such a claim. Why? Because these things do happen; sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. And we have a clear reason to believe it happened in this case.

For the record, I have never called a critic of MXPX anything nasty or tried to cut them down in any way. For a long time, I have also been a fan of Jonathan Brandis (yes, that teen idol of the 90s. I know). I set up a website after he died a few years ago so that fans could gather. And on the discussion forum, we get plenty of "trolls" that say the meanest, cruelest things. Some say he was talentless, worthless, and better off dead. And it hurts, but despite this, I have never treated anyone disrepectfully, or tried to dehumanize them. Ask around; the regulars will tell you just that.

Press on if you'd like, and keep saying the things you're saying if it makes you feel powerful. I won't stop you. But just know that your actions reflect poorly not just on yourself, but on other fans and the band itself. There are better ways to react to people you don't like... ones that don't make you or 3 Doors Down look hostile, immature or crazy.

Take care.

You said that this site was for people to express their views so thats what we are doing. I believe I haven't been to harsh or nasty and I do respect you because I try to give people my respect because I want their respect. But at the same time I haven't been very good about doing that but the things you are saying I just don't believe and I'm entitled to that. But the thing is I'am a 3DoorsDown fan, a huge one, and my views are a little hazy because of that but I want to know the truth too just like you. But I already have an idea of what that is.And Alison don't start bring peoples personal business in here that is so inapropriate.

Hey Terilynn and Charity see you ladys on the boards!!lol

Well said Andrea *claps*

hey Andrea well said girl *claps* see ya on the boards sweetie

As you were told on the 3 doors down boards when you started all this crap: Unless you can give concrete proof of when your brother's band "wrote" this song you have nothing! You have aready told several hundred people tha you have no hard proof. You can go to a lawyer all you want but with what you have you'll be laughed at.

3dd writes all thier own songs and it sounds like your brother and his band want to ride someone;s coat tails. BTW just because a demo is sent to a record copy doesn't mean they listen to it OR even keep it. Most of them are thrown away without being opened. I think you might want to find some concreate proof before you start accusing because if you don't that you could be the one that ends up in trouble.

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Check this out Drina. You did not have solid proof than...and you still do not. If you are wanting folks to jump on the bandwagon of your accusations...I think it would only be intelligent to back it up more than just with say-so. I could easily record something today and tell the pope that I recorded it 40 years ago and that the Beatles stole it. If the sky is falling...I want proof. Yes, I'm a die-hard fan and I will stand up, defend and continue by loyality to this fine group. You yourself said...here and on their message board...that you know nothing about them. There ya go! Why is that you're pressing the matter so hard via the internet and not taking it to the courts? If you believe this so much...your excuse of financial reasons is going to hold water. Even than, you will have to be able to give SOLID proof. If you cannot offer it here...how will you offer it than? btw...I keep referring to YOU...this is about your brother correct? Why doesn't he press it? You've given no indication of that. I will forward this site on to the members of 3 Doors Down. We know that they saw your accusations before and we know their feelings on the issue. I think it's only proper that they be aware of continuation on the matter.

Good day

WOW I knew she sounded farmiliar thankx for putting that link up

I will forward this site on to the members of 3 Doors Down.

Thank you, I'm sure the guys will appreciate this as well.

Hell-o? Look at the year that the 3DD song came out compared to the Influence song. 3DD was years before them. It's pathetic and you have no proof.

By the way, the song written in algebra class was Kryptonite (responding to a few entries ago). You guys can't get your facts right.

I have personally met the band and I know they wouldn't steal. Plus, who is more famous? Influence is a gay name for a band.

I think that appreciation would be an understatment to be honest. Amusement would be a more exact desciption.

Can't it just be a coincidence?

Posting this and saying 3 Doors Down copied without the KNOWN truth is really against the law. The first amendment says that if you lie about something that harms someone else, it's against the law. You are harming the reputation for a lie... and you truely can't prove anything.

Nothing is true unless there is facts. Where are the facts? Nowhere. So go fuck yourself.

Okay, I'm not going to come on here and post with offensive language or whatnot to get my point across.

3 Doors Down has not, does not, and will not ever steal someone else's music. There was a topic on the Official 3DD Message Board in which another individual (besides the thread you started ages ago) accused 3 Doors Down of the EXACT same thing. Chris Henderson of the band replied with a "You did not write any part of those songs, but I did." That answers your accusation plain and simple.

Now, as for the comment toward the beginning of the page: "stay away from 3DD fans. The band has a reputation for being nice guys, as I'm sure they are, but their fans are a little scary. I'm already getting hate mail."

Where do you get off classifying ALL 3 Doors Down fans as scary? We are not scary. We are just standing up for what we believe in. When has that ever been such a crime? I will support and defend these guys until the day that I die. And yes, they are VERY nice, well-mannered individuals who I've had the pleasure of conversing with numerous times.

As for the lawyer wanting all that money up front: Not true. I have been in a lawsuit situation before. Lawyers do not collect any amount until they win their case. They may still ask for so much an hour, but they never collect the money until the case has been settled. I even have a lawyer in the family, so I believe I know how it all works. I'm considering law school myself as a second option if my first doesn't work the way I want it to. In my opinion, the band Influence does not have the evidence to support their "claim" so in turn, there will not be a lawsuit.

Hopefully, one of the 3 Doors Down guys will get back to you with the same quote Mr. Chris Henderson said himself: "You did not write any part of those songs, but I did."

Aww we can always count on you Jenn you talk the logical talk girl! See ya on the boards

we can always count on Jenn well said girl, see ya on the boards sweetie, like I've said before and I'll say it again, 3DD would never do such a thing they are not like that, I had the pleasure of meeting all the members of 3DD and they are very down to earth guys, caring and sweet, I know they would never do a thing like this, why should they considering they write all their own lyrics and music, you mess with 3DD then you're messing with their fans as well we are one big fmaily when it comes to defending these guys, so give it up already, you will not win, I'm really getting tired of the whole thing so drop it already.

have a good day

And if I'm not mistaking wasnt "When I'm Gone" wrote in an hotel room in Mexico? Correct me if I'm wrong

As for the lawyer wanting all that money up front: Not true. I have been in a lawsuit situation before. Lawyers do not collect any amount until they win their case.

Jenn, the lawyers the guys spoke to wanted several thousand dollars up front (though I'll have to double check on this). This was some time ago, so I'll encourage them to talk to a few more attourneys soon.

By the way, Jenn, I realize that you're a loyal fan and will defend the band no matter what. I do appreciate, though, your calmness and decency.

Actually it was written in Peurto Rico...but in a hotel yes. Regardless...it was not copied.

I have forwarded this link to the guys of 3DD. Not for the purpose of threatening you...but for the sole reason that they should be aware of pending accusations against their character and reputation. That is only the right thing to do. Whether they choose to respond to your nonsense is completely up to them and to be honest...I do not see them entertaining the thought of it.

I'm not saying that it is wrong for you to take up for your brother...I can understand that. But my point in all of this is...if you're going to accuse someone of something...regardless of who they are...you better be able to back it up with substantial and solid proof. Because you must be made aware that you in turn could be held liable for slander. For every cause, there is an effect. There again, that is not a threat...just food for thought.

Now...I think most of us have been quite civil in our response to you. And you should have expected it being that you have made this public. I've seen fans get completely nasty...and believe me, this is not one of those times. But if you want to consider us that way...so be it. If it gives a further meaning to a loyal and dedicated fan such as myself and several others that have responded to you...fine...I'll live with it.

O.K first off I can be a scary mutha f***in 3 Doors Down fan..so you don't need to come on here posting dumb shit cause we all know if your brother had any talent we wouldn't be having this discussion right now!!! So u need to chill and have some respect for 3 Doors Down...the best band ever!!!
Oh, and have a nice day

I've read this whole topic, from start to bottom, and DRINA, I've got only 3 words for you: F*ck You B*tch!!!

Wow, What a bunch of nutcases!

You have much more patience than I do drina!

Steve

Wow, What a bunch of nutcases!

You have much more patience than I do drina!

Steve
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NUTCASES? Come on we're not nutcases. We are just sticking up for what we believe in. In that case everyone who defends something is a nutcase that is really a stupid thing to say.

just get over yourself.I've read thiswhole thing and it seems to me that your brother is trying to put another band down just because no one like his music and 3 Doors Down did not copy that.How old is your brother anyways?

Hello Drina,
If I may ask where is your proof of what you claim? You can say the song was written 10 years ago but the fact is I can write something now and say it was stolen off from me when I wrote it ten years ago. The music was stolen off 3 Doors Down and your brother put his lyrics in it plain and simple. Your getting yourself into serious trouble by saying what you are saying. You can also drag your brother down with you. So be careful about what you say it might get you somewhere you dont want to be. You might end up in Federal Court with you paying the price! Take Care A.P.

Well, hello again asshole. Trying to claim something that doesn't belong to you somewhere else now I see. Wow...how terrificly brilliant you are. If it were true...wouldn't you have done something about this years ago (Strike 1). This is a band who has gained so much success from being nice, honest guys...you gotta be fucking out of your mind to actually convince people this bullshit is true (Strike 2). I honestly think you need serious help if you have to stoop to a level as low as this in order to seek attention. Your band is so bad that no one will listen to you so you have to find means of making a band look bad? Find some fucking talent and get a life. For all of you idiots who believe this twit...I feel sorry for you. I want to see some god damn proof. Grow some fucking balls and stand up to the plate. You did not write that song. How dare you make such a petty lie up and how dare you even suggest it? Drina and this pathetic poser of a guy who created this thread...I'm sorry your lives are boring and you live in a fake reality. You should get this shit out of your head and realize it's phony. Move on with your wasted lives. Just do yourself a favor and go fuck yourselves!

Have a lovely day!

As you have been warned several people have brought this to the bands attention so if I were you I would make sure you have ROCK SOLID proof. You or your borthers word is not good enough in this situation.
As for all of us being sell outs I have a question. What do you think MXPX is? I bet you've only been listening to them for a year or two.
Many of the fans from the board who have posted have had occasion to talk to one or all of the guys from 3DD a time or two and at most times it was more than a hi How are you? Can I have a picture. Yes we get defensive but that is because you are attacking thier chacter. Which, if I may say so myself, is way above your own. If you had TRUE proof you would not feel the need to post this at all because you would be quietly taking care of it. If your brother was not in the band at the time this song was "written" then why are you raising such a stink? It has NOTHING to do with you. If he was why did you only recently hear the song? It's been about 5 years since the release of AFTS so why so long. Don't give me the lawyer bull. I know better. Try something else because SEVERAL of us see through you since we happen to know how the system works.

Steve, they get nuttier every day. Thanks for sticking up for me.

*sits back and watches the bullets fly* whats wrong Drina out of words? you keep going in circles with ur story and the others have caught you in ur lie as well so stop aheadof time

OOO...we are so scared of u and Steve please your just making urself look even dumber

Charity, honestly now, what good reason do I have for answering any of these posts considering how the responses I've gotten in the past?

You say you're not nasty, that you're really just nice fans defending the band. But then I read the list of posts that say, you're pathetic and retarded, you hump your brother, fuck you bitch, etc.

I explain repeatedly that the band has been working to make their case legally, and at this point I'm a cheerleader and blogger. Of course, you then respond with, This shows you have no fucking case why aren't you getting a lawyer instead of just using this dumb worthless blog this proves you're a fucking liar you bitch, etc.

It's obvious to me that you guys are staging an effort to intimidate and overwhelm me. Why should I succumb to that? All I've done is use my blog to tell the truth. I know that. God knows that. The fact that you don't know that doesn't bother me very much. I'm content to let the legal process work things out while blogging from the sidelines.

So feel free to post away, but don't expect me to lose my cool. I wasn't born yesterday.

Good night.

Sure you were. You made this dumb ass thread. So therefore...you are damn moron. I so can't wait to see you get get a swift ick in the ass from this whole thing and fall right on your face.

And...I know I'm a bitch. I'm not nice and I don't give a flying fuck what you think. You can shove all your lies and your little group of monkies up your ass.

You are one sick son of a gun if you actually believe in yourself with all this. I suggest thearpy. Quick!!!

ok I'm done now lol

You say you won't respond to our replies this issue. Why? All we want is proof...that's all. You brought this public, not us. How can you convince someone that an apple is actually an orange unless there is something there to prove to them otherwise? Stupid example I'll admit but it's a "point" I'm trying to get across.

If legal action is being sought as we speak...I wish y'all all the luck. I say that because you're gutsy enough to throw these accusations around but yet have you been able to prove even an ounce of it. Whoopie that the sound is *cough* similar...lots of songs have a same feel. But unless you can without a shadow of a doubt put substantial evidence as to Brad, Chris, Todd and Matt actually stealing the song from your brother and his fellow band mates...you will continue to be questioned on this issue.

I hope you understand that it's not us being nasty...rather us being unconvinced and trying to get it through to you that you're not making sense. I can easily say that Elvis Presley stole my rendition of Heartbreak Hotel. Okay...all of his fans and the public will want...here's that word again...proof. I can't give it.

Maybe your brother has some sort of proof. Kudos to him. But for you to press the issue publically and not be able to put forth that information...even a fraction of it other than a link to a particular song...I'm sorry, your pleas do not hold much ground on a blog and I hate to say...court.

Good day

Okay...and who is this other Andrea chick? Your from the boards, but what's your username? I didn't know that there was someone else on the boards named Andrea. =P

Neverimd...I got the answer. =P

Haha...Whatever On!!! Right on! Luv ya!

like u say Drina many of the things you do are pointless this is a good example too lol

Your brother nor his band wrote any part of this song. Your need to keep on and on about it is diging your hole deeper. I would seek and attorney. You will both need it before this is over with.

And by the way...this isn't only by fans. These are actually by people who know them and are friends with them. The band members can actually make a statement on this matter. I'm sure they will be reading it.

WOW!!! well said my fellow 3DD boardies, way to go guys

You know what I think is ironic...the fact that the band name is "Influence". More like they were "inlfuenced" by 3 Doors Down and jacked their material. I hope you guys see what a tangle you are getting yourselves into. Enjoy the ride! You are going to be rather embarrased when you discover that all this havoc you are creating was all worthless and you are insignificant human beings for doing it. You should rot in hell! How can you be so two faced? I don't get it. You truely are ignorant individuals and I hope you learn a fine lesson from this. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine how you would feel. I'm sorry this band couldn't make it so they had to make drama in order to get somewhere. Take some time and create something original. Practice. And most importantly quite making bullshit lies up and pissing people off.

Don't fuck with 3 Doors Down or their fans.

BTW-You and your band suck!

It appears that one of them may have already said something. I don't know for sure but the name is Chris and it sure looks like it could be from a band memeber.

I was thinking the same thing, Roxanne, especially after the quotes "Your brother nor his band wrote any part of this song" and "I would seek and attorney. You will both need it before this is over with."

You guys read my mind..

To my fellow 3DD boardies, I want to say that I know you're sticking up for the guys, and I know how protective we all get whenever people talk badly about them, but coming here and cursing and yelling is not the way to get the point across. By doing that, automatically any valid point you may have had is discredited because people will think, as they've said, that you're just having a knee-jerk reaction etc.

As for Drina's brother. I'm concerned that he's declined to say exactly when the song was recorded. At least I assume the person who made that post was her brother. Why not? Why won't you give the date? What's the big deal there?

Also suppose, just suppose, that this guy did write this song years ago. Who's to say 3DD didn't either? Many bands will write songs ages before they actually get recorded. They'll write down lyrics and store them away then pull them out a long time later when it comes time to work on an album, and then they start tweaking and fine tuning things. So Drina, even if your brother did record this a while back, that doesn't mean 3 Doors Down still didn't have the music sooner. The release date of the album is not necessarily an indication of when the song was written.

The reason the 3 Doors Down fans are angry Drina, is because most of us have met the band. Some of us even know them on personal levels, and even went to high school with them. If you would take the time to find out anything about this band, you know they are not the kind of people who would steal another artists music. They are kind, respectful guys and it just isn't what they're about. So that's why we get upset, because we know that and you don't.

I think we all understand that you're just defending your brother, but what he's saying isn't the truth. I have no proof, and won't say that I do, but I don't need any. I know enough about the band members, and that's all I need to know.

our Chris posted on the official boards and said he read the thread but didn't post

well said stophle

well said Crystal, we love these gusy and know the type of people they are we know better lol, but you mess with 3DD you're messing with their fans as well, you will have to deal with us when it comes to these guys

I'm with you Charity I'm done with this whole thing, it is a waste of time, we all know the truth and that's all that matters....

I understand how everyone feels. If my favorite band was accused of plagiarizing i would certainly be angry with the person making the accusations. However I have read all of your comments and have to say with all the cussing and personal attacks you sound like the most unitelligent, rude and dull people I have heard. So what if they did or didn't copy the song? Go on with your lives, it's not the end of the world. Really have you nothing else to do with your time? This is Drina's blog. She is able to say anything and you have no right to try and stop her. Wow get a hobby or complain about it on your own blog and leave hers alone.

Oh and everyone else saying how the other band sucks. Is that all you could come up with? Are you still in kindergarten? I mean seriously act your age, and if you are going to write something, at least try and make it sound intelligent.

P.S Andrea dont say such things, that you are a bitch. You give yourself too much credit. In order to be a bitch you have to have a high IQ level to come up with witty remarks and quite frankly in your case you're not the brightest crayon in the box. People might say that is a low blow. However Drina is my sister and I will defend her. Not to mention I know her extremely well. She is smarter, wittier, and a better defender of her argument then you are. You're just pissed because you can only come up with swear words while she can hold a conversation. It's ok hun, you'll graduate from junior high soon and maybe one day you can hang with the big kids too.

I couldn't have said it better myself, Stophle. Really, we know what the guys are like, and who cares what these people claim...cursing and making crude comments isn't going to change anyone's mind about the topic. If it even gets to court, we'll see who wins!

With all due respect sis, your IM was more interesting than your post. Of course, little whipper snapper, these things are better left unpublished. Be nice.

Stophle, you are by far the most level-headed and decent 3DD fan to have commented on this post thus far. I really apppreciate your statements, and you raise some good points. There are a number of possibilities here, a coincidence certainly being one of them (though, I believe, unlikely). I still support the band and am behind any legal efforts, even if it upsets people. This is something that needs to be aired and settled because people should know. Thank you, though, for being so kind.

Hey Teri was he talking about this one or the one deleted from the boards?

Either way, at least he is aware of it now and can take any action he and the band decide is appropriate.

Drina, I have to agree with you, I don't think this is a coincidence. The songs are too similar. I don't expect you to believe that your brother isn't being truthful, but I think that's what's going on.

I've been thinking about it some more and I can understand the money issue keeping someone from pursuing legal action, but stealing someone's song is akin to mental rape. And if I had written a song, and I thought someone stole it from me and made a lot of money off of it, I don't care how much a lawyer cost, I would pursue it until the end of time just on principal. The thing is..if your brother really had a case, I know there would be a lot of lawyers who would pursue it because the potential payout would be huge. I mean we all saw what happened with Vanilla Ice when he stole the riff from "Under Pressure" and it came back to bite him.

Putting lawyers aside, why hasn't your brother gone to the media? I'm sure if you're as addicted to useless entertainment news as I am, *magazines like "In Touch" and "Life & Style" are guilty pleasures of mine* you should know something doesn't have to be proven true before somebody will publish it. I'm very surprised he didn't try that route. The fact that he didn't leads me to believe that he knows his claim is false and doesn't want to be sued for slander.

I'm not trying to attack you, and you're absolutely right in that this is your blog and you can post whatever you want. You should do that, that's what it's for. Just be careful, because the band's management has been made aware of all this as far as I know, so don't just take it on faith with your brother, because by posting this you've now gotten involved as well, and I don't know what the legal repurcussions would be. I'm sure your brother wouldn't want anything to come down on you because of him.

Okay, it's late and I'm tired so I used the wrong word in my last post. *L* ugh. I meant to say that your brother didn't want to be sued for libel which is why he didn't want to put anything in print about what happened. Slander is what he could be sued for already because it's spoken. Just wanted to clarify. *is anal about stuff like that*

hey Roxanne I'm not sure what thread he was referring too, all he said was that he read the thread but didn't post this is what he said on the official boards

"I read the thread, but I did not post. You guys know who wrote that song. Brad Arnold Chris Henderson Todd Harrell and Matt Roberts. It was written at soundcheck in Peurto Rico. I remeber it like it was yesterday. In fact it was almost seven years ago!"

I'm really glad that he is aware of this too, and I'm sure the other guys are to, now they can take any action they think is appropriate like you said..

WOW! Wait a minute. I just read through some of the one's I hadn't before and apparently brother says that the song was copywrited. IF it was truly copywrited, then there is all you need to prove this once and for all. There will be a signed and DATED copy of the MUSIC on file with the U.S Patents office.

heres his statement for those of you that missed it.

"You are right the musicians I played this song with are pissed. It was copywritten, however I'm unsure how well these record company types check into that part or if they even care."

The fact is, it doesn't matter. If it was copywritted 10yrs ago by them, it doesn't matter what the record company did or didn't do or how well or not the files were checked. Fact is, the firm used in copywriting it would still have the file. The copywrite company it was copywritten with would still have the file. I imagine if it was important enough to get it copywritten, then the band itself, would still have a copy of the copywrite number and file SOMEWHERE. Something tell's me no one will ever see it or that it can't be produced. I don't think it was done. There may be some copywritten lyrics somewhere but not this music.

I am not going to say your brother or his band stole 3DD's music. I believe there are all sorts of things that could have happened here but I don't direct fault at 3DD. I know them personally and very well and they have to much integrety, dignitiy, talent and class to copy someone else's music. They don't need to. They are a multimillion album selling band and the road pull they have is unbelievable. They were already EXTREMELY successful BEFORE they wrote and put out this song. It is by far the song they are most famous for because the military adopted it as their theme song. That makes it and them, suceptable to all kinds of claims and untruths.

For the ones on here that have posted and cussed like sailors, I apologize. Most 3DD fans aren't like that. Most of us can get a point across in an intellegent, respectful manner, for the most part. We can all get heated at one time or another. I won't go into why the did it. They themselves made it pretty clear. It's just frustrating for everyone that this is still going on. I mean, it was a band your brother played or plays with. It's my understanding that your brother didn't have any part in actually "writing" the song. The point I am trying to make is, if it your brother wasn't involved in it, why are you going on and on about it. It seems you either have some sort of personal vendetta against them or you like to create drama. I don't know. I truly wish you wouldn't have been banned so fast from the 3DD boards and the thread there deleted so fast. Chris, Todd and Brad from 3DD all read and post with the fans on there on a regular basis and it would have been interesting to see their comments about this.

Roxanne, herein lies the problem with my continued involvement in this discussion. Some of the people who have commented here have insisted that since I have not directly responded to each and every comment, that there is no case and I have nothing to say. Others, yourself included, have insisted that because I continue to respond at all, that my intention must be to create drama. Basically, I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.

So what do I do? Leave this post alone and be called a liar and fool, or continue to respond and be called a liar and drama queen? Either way, the folks here will find a problem with it. So why let anyone else dictate how often I can repond to comments on my own blog?

This post may very well have come and gone had 3DD fans not given it so much negative attention. To be fully honest, despite all of the hostility, I'm pretty glad you guys came.

:)

DRINA, I bet you took the WRONG PILLS when you posted this topic!
Your accusations are totally INSANE, and unless you can prove it, NO ONE will buy into it!

By the way, I want to apologize for calling you a B*tch and told you to F*ck Yourself.
It was really inappropriate and I'm sorry from the bottom of my ASS!! Off course you're a STUPID B*TCH AND YOU SHOULD GO AND STICK A MICROPHONE IN YOUR P*SSY, RECORD IT AND CLAIM THAT 'THE P*USSYCAT DOLLS' STOLE THAT RECORDING FROM YOU 25 YEARS AGO, AND GET IT OVER WITH, YOU SL*T!!!

OMG...that was f-ing hilarious. I'm sorry...but I couldn't help but giggle. Not because of who it was directed at...that isn't the point...but that would be f-ing classic to say to anyone. Mind if I "borrow" that????

I will say it again...all that the majority of us wasnt is...PROOF...that is all. And when that proof is not put forward, of course we're still not convinced. As Roxanne said, if your brother's material IS copywrited...than money should not be the issue. I agree with Stophle...why hasn't this been made public by adventures through the media? I'm not suggesting that should be the route taken, but creating a thread on the 3DD Message Board and now a public blog...it's not getting you anywhere.

I'm not going to yell at you nor will I call you every name in the book. There's no point in me wasting my intelligence otherwise. But like I said before and I said again this time...all we want is PROOF. If you can provide something substantial...we'll shut up and go play in traffic...easy enough.

But yeah...the guys have been made aware of this which is only fair. And I will stand behind, beside and in front of them...defending their integrity and character til I cannot physically do so anymore. They KNOW that they have a pack of loyal/dedicated/crazy fans...but they're also appreciative for it as well.

I think this whole thing is getting out of hand and I'm going to say goodbye for a while because there are two Andreas on here and I don't want you to get confused and it is just a waste right know its going in cicles.I know the truth so I thinks its time for me to stop for a while! I will be back though!

See all you 3DD fans on the boards!lol

Your right it may have just died down but to blame 3DD fans for all the problems here is crazy. You started it March 3 and a few post were made, all by people who choose to just outright believe someone because they say the sky is green instead of look at the facts for themselves, then it died down. March 22, 9 days after the last post, you got a few post that disagreed with what you have posted and YOU responded to them on March 23 and have choosen to continue to respond to the "negative" post thereafter. So to blame 3DD fans for continuing to create drama, I don't think so. We are all standing up for what we know is the truth and all you have are accusations. You and your brother have been asked to prove it. If it's true, it should be something that can easily be done. That's all anyone is saying. It is my understanding that you and your brother will be given a chance to "prove" your case. What you have done is made yourself libel because of this blog and your brother (if that was his post) to because of his post. I do know for a fact that Phin Daly, 3DD manager, is aware of this and has copies of it. Now, if what you have said is true then there won't be a problem. But, if you and your brother have put your faith in the wrong place.....

You can't put the outcome of this blog solely on the head of 3DD fans. They have stood up for what we know is true and have requested time and time again for some sort of proof. I don't think that is a lot to ask for when accusations, like yours, are being made. The fact that you have said previously that you can't prove it tells all. Yes, you can write what you want in your blog but if there is no proof to what you say, when it involves the reputation of another, you should have absolute proof or you open the door for all sorts of things, lawsuits against you, crazy screaming, cussing people,etc...

I once again apologize for what was said in the above thread to you. It is disgusting and totally uncalled for. It offended me and it wasn't even directed at me.

I see a few typo's above. Sorry for that.

By the way Drina, on the 3dd forum yesterday a couple people mentioned the idea of getting a gun, i guess to shoot you with. I have the pages saved if you'd like to press charges.

If you believe that you have bigger problems than I thought we like to joke around about stuff like that its a figure of speech no one wants to shoot you we just want this to stop with all the lies and stuff so dont even get that started

LMAO!

I said I wish I had a pistol. I never ever said I wanted to shoot her with it. I could have been suggesting the whole blog instead. This truely is madness and the person who made up such lies is the one who is immature. I cuss a lot, but I never threatened her nor did I ever say anything distasteful or ugly. I did call her brother a moron for pulling off a stunt like this. I'm sorry you just happened to get caught up in his lies and believe it. And little sister...I'm an adult so get over yourself. Maybe my words were harsh, but I am that way. I was rather pissed off because she not only came on our message board and made this up, but now she is displaying it to the public. I think it's unfair, but if she really is that bored with life...it's a shame. From what I can remember..I was pretty damn nice to begin with. When you created that thread on our message board. i asked for proof, but you decided to get your ass in a knot so I got bitter right back. Don't dish it out if you can't handle it right back. I'm can keep going at it and efending them until I get some damn proof. Because the bad thing is...people are so niave they are willing to believe anything someone says. So...I apologize for being a downright bitch, but you have no right.

Drina, I know you're feeling attacked by 3 Doors Down fans, and I don't blame you, you pretty much have been, but please don't believe the gun thing. I would hope you would be adult enough to understand a joke when you see one, as this other person apparently is not.

Alison, give me a break. Do you honestly think someone would shoot Drina over this? Nobody hates her, we just hate all the drama that's being caused on both sides of the issue. We all know that she's just fighting for someone she loves, and that isn't a bad thing. If someone was going to shoot Drina, do you think they'd be stupid enough to post it on a public message board? Come on now, even I have to say grow up with that one.

Alright...so I reread all the past posts including mine. You were right it wasn't neccessary, but mind you...you are claiming that a band I love very much has stolen your rother's song and is lying about it? This all started months ago at the official 3 Doors Down message board. Now as I recall...I never tossed around a dirty word with my original request. I plainly asked for proof. But you had attacked me so being me...I came right back at your attack. I know that doesn't help matters much. It wasn't nice of me to come on here even after doing so and rip you apart. Okay...so...now that I am calm. I can understand why you are hostile, but you also have to understand why we are, too. You are accusing a band of plagirism with no proof. A band that happens to be known and famous world wide. Who are loyal guys and has such a supportive fan base. And then you have a lot of strangers telling you the facts and pretty much summing up that he is a liar...they would be hard to face. Someoe you trust and have lived with almost your whole life...of course your going to take his side. What was wrong of me is aiming it at you..because it isn't your fault. This is betweem your brother and the band. You are just going by what has been told to you. I am truely am sorry to offend anyone if I did, but I never made any vulgar statements. I did call you an idiot basically, but you are not. You are a human being like the rest of us. Now...okay, the similarities of these songs are very close indeed so there is no way that that happened by accident. But I do have a question for you...you can choose to answer this or not...has your brother actually proved this to you himself? You don't think it's possible at all that maybe your brother could be telling a bit of a story? You know...anyone is capable of it and people make mistakes. I'm really bothered by this whole thing mainly because I'm such a huge fan and hate to stand by...hearing someone bringing their name down, people believing it, and etc. We just want some answers. That is all.

Roxanne, your summary of my responses points to the fact that I only really post here when others have posted comments or accusations. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, considering that this is my blog. When I said that this post would have died down if not for everyone's negative attention, I didn't mean to blame anyone for the "drama." Only it's somewhat disingenuous to accuse me of feeding it. Anyone who isn't thrilled with the drama that found its way here is welcome to ignore me completely. And the negative attention itself, though freaky and full-on cuckoo bananas, doesn't really bother me.

Everyone here has been demanding that I either offer more "proof" or remove this post. Understandable to want more information, fine. But it's not realistic to expect me to spend all of my time building a legal case for you when I'm not the band's lawyer and you're not the defendant; I'm just trying to help them find good representation while blogging (and cheering) from the sidelines, as I've said. Hopefully an actual legal case will be made, and you'll be able to dig in and find everything you need to know. Of course, I have no reason to believe that anyone here would stop attacking me if I laid out the entire case from top to bottom; it's the nature of some obsessed fans to deny anything they don't like, regardless of its merits.

Alison, thanks. It's good to know someone is looking out for me.

Andrea, you're wrong. I have every right to make this public. And you have every right not to believe a word you read here.

Stophle, voice of sanity, again kudos for the patience and reason. I do have to make one contention, though, I don't think it's fair to say that nobody here hates me considering some of the things they've written. But you shouldn't feel the need to be apologetic on their behalf. I've never been more entertained (3DD4EVER's comment was especially print-worthy). I don't agree with some of the things you've posted, but I have immense respect for you. Rock on.

Tomorrow I'll be leaving Ohio for some R&R;, so I may or may not post much for the next two weeks. It will depend on the weather. To the crazy ones, thanks for the laughs. To Stophle, thanks for the sanity.

If that's what you think. And I think it's nice you are trying to help out someone that you believe and try for something you believe in. If it has to come to this...then let legal matters get into it. I guess this is what it will have to come to for you to actually fully understand the truth. I just think it isn't right to point any fingers when...have you yourself actually been shown any proof? That's all I want to know right now. Sometimes words are not enough. People with common sense will hopefully realize this is phony. It defiently gives a bad rep which is what I'm worried about because it obviously isn't true. It's just amazing to me how someone could do this. It baffles me. Not you.Your brother. I mean...someone is going to come out of this looking pretty foolish and I feel sorry for them. You know...look at this way...why would fans of this band believe some stranger (your brother)...just like why would you believe this band or us strangers over your brother. You can't expect us to agree, hold back, and be okay with it. That's not whole the world turns unfortunately. This isn't Wal-Greens. It isn't Perfect. We can't live in lala land and shut our mouths. I'm a nut. I'm stubborn. I don't shut up. For that...I'm sorry. You know that people are going to stand up for what they believe in though and fight this. We all know where the truth lies, but some of us were just "misled". I hope something gets done about it soon. I'm sorry that you will be involved since it really has nothing to do with you in a sense. I feel bad because you have been lied to. But I do feel as though you are egging things on a bit. Maybe that's just my imagination running away with me. If you honestly thought this was real and wanted to show people it was....surely by now you would have done a better way of convincing us. By some actual documents (proof). The things being said are funny and you are getting amusement out of them which believes me to believe...it's a bunch of pish posh.

Yeah...typing errors. Hope you can still understand it. Oh well....

Wait a minute....hold the phone. This doesn't even have anything to do with your brother. It's your brother's friend. So his friend could be lying his little hot head off. How would you know huh? Why does it matter to you? It seems to me eventually you'll get caught in the lie and you already have. If it were your brother's I would imagine he would have showed it to you years ago. Not only that...your brother said quote: "It was his old band that did that song. I was just as shocked as everyone else when I heard it." So please tell me why you care? I could totally understand your brother caring, but you....it doesn't concern you. So it's not the brother who is lying...it's his little friend am I right? Personally....I think you are just finding any reason to piss someone off. It's really none of your business. This is slander and hasseling. Not only that making a wonderful band look bad by your false talk. Get off of it and quite being an attention whore. You aren't getting anything out of this. What...do you want a jellybean for sucking up and some approvement? This guy isn't getting a dime and is going to look pretty damn stupid by the time this is over...you know why? Because he didn't write. 3 Doors Down did. I know that, the rest of the fans know it, the band knows it, and this guy knows it. You should stop bad mouthing the band before you get in too deep. It's not wise to display things you really have no idea about when you really aren't all that involved in the first place. I don't hate you. I won't waste any sleep on you. Hating is for people who have nothing else to do. Pulling shit out of the sky like this is for someone who has nothing else better to do. Quit lookng for excuses. If you believe it and it's true...you should back it up or else...no one is going to believe you. When this is all said and done...no one really won't believe you ever again. They'll just know you as the girl who lied just so she could draw attention to herself.

You avoid the issue still. Your response is always, searching for a lawyer- legal action will be taken- copywritten song- my brother wouldn't lie (Maybe he didn't. Maybe he was lied to and like you, believes what he has been told by putting his faith in the wrong place. I believe that is proabably closer to the truth)

You can post whatever you want in your blog but being public, don't you think you owe it to not only yourself but to the accused to have solid proof of what you say? Proof that you can show at the time of the original post. Your attacking someone's character. Deflamation of character, libel of deflamation and malicious mischief are serious and the consequences are not something to flick one's nose at. You owe it to someone to have proof and to show that proof if you are going to post character damaging statements about them for the public to see. You, nor anyone else is saved by the fact that it's your blog and you have freedom of speech. Not in a case like this.

Roxanne is right about that. If the band can prove loss of reputation or sales due to defamation, they could sue.

To 'whatever':
Thanks a lot for your kind comments, I really appreciate it, and off course you can 'borrow' it, I guess it would indeed be hilarious to say to someone!!!

By the way, I have a confession to make: For all you 3DD Band forum members, I'm 'ELAD' (you probebly remember me for posting the 3DD Acapellas a few months back...)
Just wanted to get this off my chest.

As a loyal 3DD fan, I'll be damned if I let ANYONE tarnish the good name of the band or doubt their song writing ability and originality.
In all seriousness, I think DRINA should really SEEK OUT PROFESSIONAL HELP and GO SUCK ON A MONKEY'S NIPPLE.
She's definitely under the 'INFLUANCE'...

I hope the retarded bitch that made this chokes on her own fucking tongue! Shove a fucking stick through your brain and spare us all the pain of having you around then take a long fucking walk off of the shortest fucking pier you can find. Go fuck yourself mother fucker!

I hope the retarded bitch that made this chokes on her own fucking tongue! Shove a fucking stick through your brain and spare us all the pain of having you around then take a long fucking walk off of the shortest fucking pier you can find. Go fuck yourself mother fucker!

To all the 3DD fans that have posted offensive and disgusting things, please stop. Word your arguments intelligently and stop hurling insults. Whether intended or not, we are representatives for the band, and while we all know the things being posted here are not true, I also know the band wouldn't appreciate the kinds of things being said here. They wouldn't conduct themselves this way, and I'm sure they wouldn't want us to either.

I was about to post the same thing, Crystal. Guys and girls, let's do this the mature way, and quit acting like we're five where we THINK curse words are going to make a difference.

Speaking intelligently and with maturity will be the better option, I promise.

Where are the damn lyrics to this thing?! I wanna see them. Because...it's funny to me...the rhythm is the same, but the lyrics are no where near identical. Which leads me to believe this punk ass stole the lyrics from some other band. Who knows? They could be targeted next. Well, I'm going to make damn sure that doesn't happen. I've been researching all of this heavily. I have read between the lines and have caught you in lies already. And you only half ass answer some questions which even explains it even more. You aren't very good at telling lies. I don't know if your trying to cover up for this guy or you are the source of this whole problem...whatever the case may be...what the hell do you get out of this? You know your going to lose! Throughout this whole thing...you have contradicted yourself. Listen...you don't have to repeat yourself at all. You just choose to because you have don't have valid proof. You sound a broken record....if you are so tired of going in circles with the same damn thing...then show us some real stuff that proves it all. Not this shit you magically pulled from your ass. Do expect the court is just going to go by some song your brother's friend supposedly "made"? I think not! So start gathering evidence. You are looking for a loyal....you better get your ducks in a row and come up with a better story than this crackpot shit you are trying to shove down these people's throats. I want a good, juicy lie now....I want a real good laugh that will last me an eternity. You find these posts by other fans funny...well, the same goes here. I find the shit your saying hysterical and so does about 2,000 other people reading this. It's start to leak. You've got the attention you wanted, but you are going to look pretty god damn stupid in the end. I don't think your aware of the fact...the Alternative Press made a post on your blog. You are in danger. You have dug your hole...now you must lie in the grave. I retract my last statement....you may have been misled, but you are lying through your teeth. You are plainly beating around the bush now. The thing is though...it's pretty tough to copy from a band "inadvertantly" without the chords, tabs, etc. It doesn't matter how SIMPLE the song. And I GUARENTEE you...ask any musician..."When I'm Gone" can't be picked up in a snap. And if a demo were sent to these record companies...please...I'm curious to know which ones. Even still...a record company could tell a band to play this and pick out some chords, but not the whole song. No way. And although these songs are similar...they are not identical. So there is no way that they just overlayed Brad's voice over this guys voice. Not only that....they have played this song LIVE I don't know how many damn times. They got it down to a perfection. Pretty god damn funny from a band who scammed from another yeah? If you actually sit and think about it and do your homework...you'll come to realize, it's not really possible. AT ALL. You are jumping the gun when you don't have the facts. Not only that...you don't even have the truth straight yourself. HELL....you don't even have your damn lie straight. You are in a lot of trouble. I don't think you realize just how much though.

And Allison...quit playing that "Christian" shit. That's uncalled for. You should speak for yourself!

And please tell me why the HELL would this band need encouraging to search for some other lawers? Don't you think they are big boys and can do it on their own? And how can the band your brother is in sue....it is totally different band am I correct? Have you met this singer physically. You think your mature eh? Please tell me why are you pleading your so called case like this. If you were a decent human being...you would do it as quietly as possible. Not blow it up and make it public for all eyes to see. You egging things on and ruining a band. You can't get much lower than that. This has travelled to other sites as well. Your site...no amtter how "small" you think it is....is actually pretty damn big and popular. You weren't involved to begin with, but now you are so it is now your responsiblity to take it because you started this whole mess. You, this singer, and your brother do NEED to start getting together your legal case. And if it was so important to your brother and this singer...why aren't they here. They have posted, but once or twice. Why aren't they aren't they the ones laying it on thick? Are they incapable of it. Or are they that much more mature than you so they take their "case" quietly. Or is it...they found themselves ina bit of pickle and it's too alte to get out now...so they are being quiet. What you doing is wrong and no matter what freedom you have....you do NOT have the right to bring down this band. Shame on you.

And please...do not say "God knows it". That isn't cool. You better watch yourself with stuff like that.

I agree with Stophle we should all behave ourselves. I know when it comes to 3DD it is really hard to keep ourselves under control but you have to try we are representing the guys and we don't want to make them look bad. I have wrote some things on here that I shouldn't have but I know cursing won't get my point across. So lets look like adults here!

ok if this is true and you take it to a lawyer any smart lawyer wouldn't make you pay up front because this whole thing would be huge. It would be on the news and they know the profit they can make off it. And if you had the money to pay for copyright why not a lawyer. Plus technically you dont' need a lawyer when you bring a case to a judge. So if this is true.. grow some balls and go for it.. or if you are lying *cough* than continue to post stupid things like this on the internet and not do anything about it.. really if you aren't going to than fucking stop.. its getting old

I think instead of saying they DID copy, you should just say something like "wow, it sounds similiar"... implying that they copied is why this has gotten people angry. In my opinion, they didn't copy and I understand that you wanted to just post this because it's your site and yada yada... but, again, just say that the sound is similiar. Some people might be gullable and actually think that someone copied... how can you be so sure.

Don't say that 3DD copied, because it could just as well be the other band, or it might not be either (let's face it, some things just turn out to be similiar without any copying involved). Obviously, there isn't a 100% right answer, so you don't have a right to post something that you think is a fact... just post a thought... not an accusation. Yeah it's your site (stop saying that, k?) I have a website too and there are some things that just aren't right to post (I've been website designing for 10 years, and what you posted isn't right).

lol charity works for the alternative press

Kinda hate to bust your bubble, Allison, but Charity isn't who posted under Alternative Press. Two different IP addresses.

EDIT: Nevermind... the first times she posted under Charity was from a different IP address... some of the others match. Easy mistake!

Get off of it Alison and grow up! As anyone can plainly tell...the person from the AP and Chairty have two different types of wordingthings and ways of typing. Quit insinuating things and trying to piss people off.

drina showed me the IP log recorded by movable type and their ip addresses are the same and you are like 3 people too lol

And...your point. I changed my name because point blank..you notice there are two Andreas. Didn't we already discuss that.

And it's funny because I looked at the IPs myself. Some of those I posted on a totally different computer at a friend's house yet they are the same as the IP here. Sounds a little screwy to me. God...how immature can you get.

Hey, I got an idea. How about EVERYONE on here grow up? Except the ones who are making INTELLIGENT conversation. This includes the people defending 3DD using vulgar remarks, and this includes the defenders of Drina who are being immature as well. Try to carry on an adult conversation. Seriously.

Jenn, with the possible exception of Stophle, no 3 Doors Down apologists who post here are capable of carrying on an adult conversation. I say let the cuckoo birds be cuckoo birds. They don't bother me at all.

Hey! Aren't I an exception? I've been replying maturely! haha

Um...well, if that's how you wish to look at it, but I have not been vulgar in any of my statements lately. Just staing the facts. If you can't handle that...I'm sorry. Drina...as far as I'm concern, you are just as bad as everyone else.

If I can't handle it? It doesn't bother me. I'm just saying that if everyone (not you in particular. EVERYONE.) would make their point with intelligence and maturity then maybe it would get more positive attention than being "attacked" all the time. That's all I'm saying.

And I'm all for backing 3DD. I've done it myself in this site, but I did it with complete sanity. It's not that hard.

Don't attack me for saying what needed to be said. The guys would appreciate it if we handled this with a little more maturity. That's the way THEY would handle it.

Also, instead of bringing this whole thing on this page, I'm Xx 3DD Lover 769 xX on the 3DD board (not sure which Andrea this is... I only know of one on the board). Bmail me there, and we can settle this privately.

Jenn...I'm quite aware of who this is and that statement was not directed towards you. Drina is pushing buttons and as far as I'm concerned...she is playing games. I'm not looking to get into an tiffs with anyone on the boards...especially on the boards. If my last post seemed like it was towards you, it wasn't. She is talking about cuckoo birds and yada, yada...from what I recall. I have been pretty decent with the words I have chose lately.

Hey, this is the other Andrea, and I have to agree. The guys would want us to be respectful and use mature language. I have said some things on here like curse words but thats it. And I know that they won't get my point across. So I cleaned up my views. We all need to act right here we are representing the guys and I don't think they would be happy with the way we have been talking! So just act like adults or try!!

hey charity, you can cancel my subscription to AP

lol

Hang on a minute leave me the hell out of this i already stated that i was off of this site and u imaturely brought my name into this.That just shows me that you and ur sister are very low respecting people who has no respect 4 others and are part of the huge group of the world who are only here 4 one purpose in life which is 2 make others look bad .....yens r like the preppy girls in school that everyone wants to bitch smack and shave bald) again leave me out of it i know the truth and so does everyone else goodbye

Charity/AP/Whatever/Ain't got one/etc.,

Months ago you raged onto my website saying the most vile things, pretended to be other people, impersonated the Alternative Press, and threatened me. Then after getting caught in your lie, you slinked away only to return and target Alison for continuing to discuss your disordered, immature behavior. Of all of the 3DD fans who have posted here, you're probably the one most in need of therapy.

You came here, cussed, lied, and hurled insults. You injected yourself into this discussion, and now you have to face the consequences. We can talk about you, and we will. Get used to it.

I've been unnecessarily civil to you up until now, despite your nastiness, immaturity, and outright lies about your identity. I'm done being nice. It's time for you to take your multiple personalities elsewhere and leave my friends and readers alone. They don't deserve to to be smeared by a 19 year-old groupie with too little virtue and too much time on her hands.

And while you're at it Charity, cancel my subscription too, whenever you make it back up here to Cleveland, home of the Alternative Press. Last time I checked they didn't have a Tennessee office. It must be a difficult commute for you, so please take your time.

Klara is my sister, by the way, not Alison.

fuck u im a proud 19 yr old parent im not a gropie but a huge fan so the fuck what if i used diff names ur just changing the subject cause u now u have been caught in ur lies now this is my final response im wasting time with u and ur blog so stop brnging my name up and stay on ur original subject

and Whatever

edit :and Whatever was not me

I will talk about whoever I like on my blog, you included, in the same way that you and your ilk have discussed me on your chatboards despite my absence there. Except I won't threaten to shoot you, or impersonate a music journalist.

Good bye.

Lmao! This is still going on? Look...we are all acting immature besides maybe Jenn and Crystal. You are almost as bad as them Drina.

And I'm wondering...this entry has been going on for 3 months now. You've been talking about all the courses actions your going to take. Surely by now you've had to at least contacted somebody about this. Anything new you can tell us? I still haven't seen any action...maybe you have.

Andrea/Hell's Angel/Evil Girl/etc.,

It is the band's responsibility to take legal action, not mine. I've stated that several times here, but you conveniently ignore it. And since you're obviously not familiar with the legal process, these things take time and money. It's arrogant to demand the band make their case on Andrea/Hell's Angel/Evil Girl's time table. Maybe when this goes to court you could have Charity write up a defense in the AP?

You and your 3DD cabal keep coming here to post, then marvel that this thread is "still going." You're responsible for its longevity. If you were smart enough to discontinue your complusive posting, this could have faded away with the rest of my blog entries long ago. But you just don't have the discipline.

Fire away, loose cannon.

Back the truck up miss. I'm only curious as to whether I should be prepared for some legal action going on. It's noly fair and you should expect that from a fan...am I right? Now...surely...you will let us now if this "band" finally does something about this right? And if it's not up to you...it's also not right of you to make something like this displayed.

"It's arrogant to demand the band make their case on Andrea/Hell's Angel/Evil Girl's time table. Maybe when this goes to court you could have Charity write up a defense in the AP?"

That right there in itself shows your true immaturity. You are a hypocrit. Congratulations!

I came back here interested in what you have to say. Did I insult you in any way or try to start something? No! I asked a simple question. Thank you very much.

Andrea,

You don't have to prepare yourself for anything, besides my decision to stop being overly gracious to you. You may claim to be sugar and spice now, but in the past you called me an asshole, an attention whore, and a moron. You've officially lost the privelage of my temperance. There are only one or two fans who've posted here that deserve my respect, and you aren't one of them. From this point on, I will treat you as you've treated me.

3 Doors Down, on the other hand, will need preparation when the band is ready to make their legal case. You aren't entitled to the details.

And lastly, you may believe I'm a hypocrite, which is fine. You're entitled to your own opinions. But the real hypocrites are the ones who call me a liar, then lie and pretend to be journalists. They are the ones that call me an asshole, then tell me I'm nasty for not rolling over and taking it. They are the 3DD cuckoo birds who post compulsively yet call me an attention whore because the discussion won't die.

You, Andrea, are a hypocrite, like your buddy Charity. And a pathological one at that.

Heh. You are an attention whore. That's a given. You made up this whole thing right. And expect us to take it and believe it's real. Oh...it's so okay to spoil s hard working band's name like this. No it isn't.

And that's fine. You can treat me how you want. You think I will lose sleep over it.

Now that whole journalist thing...I had no part in. So please get the facts straight before flying off the handle. Like you've done here for the past months. You've dug your grave...now it's time to lie in it.

No...I'll admit that I can be a immature twit at times. I'll admit I can be a downright bitch. That's unfortunately a few of my many faults. I accept it.

I don't expect you to believe anything I write, because you're not the type of person to examine situations objectively. You're here to defend 3DD regardless of the truth by attacking anyone that doesn't tow the groupies' line. Say what you want about me supposedly flying off the handle, but I've been far more gracious to you than you deserve. If our roles were reversed, you would have banned me long ago, after a few vicious, profanity-laced diatribes. The difference between you and I is that I'm capable of civility. And I 'm not going to buy a gun.

I'm glad that you're willing to admit to being an immature bitch. We can finally agree on something.

No. You are wrong there. I would let you scream and have a mad fit on my page. Wouldn't bother me one bit. You can call me every word in the book...I assure you the name has already been tossed at me. Don't hold out on me. Scream obscenities at me for all I care. See...I have no problem with someone just not liking a band, but to pretend and to go to such extremes. Quite unnecessary. This is something that can ruin a band's reputation and it's not to be taken lightly. No one EVER said buying a gun. "I wish I had a pistol" insinuated I wanted to shoot the damn screenbecause of such madness. We've had random people come on there all the time with mumbo jumbo similar to this. And you say you are civil? How...this really has nothing to do with you. You said it yourself. Unfair in my opinion. Unjust.

You've got it right...I'm a sarcastic, cold hearted bitch who doesn't like to play games. I'm quite opinionated and I don't care if you like it. Bash me right back. But my apologies still go out for me overacting the beginning. I talk before I think sometimes. My words come out mean. Who hasn't done that once in their life?

I have no reason to assume you would be similarly tolerant of me considering how you erupted into hysterics in response to my initial post. And for the record, I don't dislike 3 Doors Down, just their crazed, hostile fans. I am, however, frustrated that the music of a local band ended up on their record without due credit.

Scream obscenities at me for all I care.

Sorry, I'm not a 3 Doors Down fan.

I'm also not in the business of bashing, just telling it like it is. I've bitten my tongue for too long on this website in the hopes that my civility would rub off. I was wrong to expect so much.

That's there song. They have gotten the credit they've deserved. They worked for it. Shame on you for this.

And that's not real mature either. Not ALL 3 Doors Down fans are like this. It's unfortunate because now the people(myself inclided) who got hostile gave them all a bad name. It's not right of you to point the finger at everyone though.

And imagine for a second...how ticked off you would be if you here such utter nonsense like this. But you're not telling it like it is. You're putting down something that has even been proved to public eyes. This is just a belief. It's like pulling teeth with you. It driving me mad. Wouldn't you think that something is wrong if by now the band has taken proper actions. Any normal human being would...if they put their soul and time into a piece of art. You are being niave. Open your eyes and see.

Andrea, it's obvious to me that no matter what happens, you're going to believe whatever makes you happy. Influence wrote this music long before 3 Doors Down recorded it, but regardless of the outcome of future legal proceedings, you'll keep believing I'm a liar and that your beloved band is damn near superhuman. Your obsession with 3 Doors Down keeps you from being objective. Artists who have been ripped off sometimes have to wait years for vindication. Are you really so naive as to think the United States has a drive-through legal process? It's David against Goliath here.

And by the way, if 3 Doors Down fans have a bad rap, that's not my fault; it's yours. Don't blame me for how shamefully you and your buddies behave. Take responsibility for your own obscenities. If you don't want to tarnish the fans' reputation, stop acting like a "cold hearted bitch."

Didn't I already say that. I never once blamed you. There you go again putting words into my mouth. I put myself at fault. Don't play these pity party games.

Are you really that obsessed and involved in this lie that you actually start believing it?

Andrea, the more you post, the more obvious it becomes that you'll only believe what you're comfortable with. But this isn't my concern, so I'm going to continue supporting the members of Influence, because it's the right thing to do. This is their intellectual property; they have a right to defend it, even if it makes another band's groupies angry. You can hiss and scream all you want, but it doesn't change anything. The truth doesn't depend on your belief in it, and it never will.

I haven't posted on here in a while and I'm not posting to cause problems,and I'm not gonna say nasty thing because that won't solve anything but 3DD fans knows the truth about all this and we know better, I'm done posting on here because it's a waste of time to bother even posting about this situation, because we all know the truth, so there for I'm down with the whole thing..

Fine. Support it. I'll continue supporting 3 Doors Down.

"This is their intellectual property"- No. It isn't. And you know it.

Hissing and Screaming? Both would come off totally different than what I'm displaying. I'm showing annoyance and am standing up for the truth.

"The truth doesn't depend on your belief in it, and it never will."- Nor yours. I hope you know that. ;)

No Teri, you don't know the truth. But you will someday.

Good bye.